Posts by problemaddict 2

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Family of Jehovah's Witness who died after refusing blood transfusion can't keep suing doctors

by pale.emperor in

http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/07/court_nixes_lawsuit_by_family.html.

the family of a jehovah's witness who died after repeatedly refusing blood transfusions can't sue the hospital where doctors begged for a chance to save her life, a state appeals court ruled.. the case, outlined in an opinion by superior court judge jacqueline o. shogan, involves a convergence of religion, medicine and the law.. its focus is on what happened before terri seels-davila, a jehovah's witness missionary, died after giving birth at hahnemann university hospital in philadelphia in november 2010.. seels-davila, who had been serving on mission with her husband in nicaragua, chose hahnemann because of its "bloodless medicine" program for patients who won't agree to having blood transfusions, including jehovah's witnesses, shogan noted.

the treatment plan for seels-davila called for recycling her own blood back into her system.. yet that proved to be inadequate when complications of her delivery required seels-davila to deliver by cesarean section.

problemaddict 2

Crow,

My "grooming" as a younger fellow was done by someone who had such a ridiculous lack of knowledge of medical procedure it was laughable. This is of course maybe 20 years ago now.

Mainly I was pulled in because I was working in the fringes of the medical field at the time (wish i would have had the courage to extend my education and really get into it), and I was someone known for being able to handle sticky or uncomfortable situations. Most of what i was "taught", was how to distrust the medical staff, and make sure they were held accountable for pressuring the friends if it came to that.

I swallowed it hook line and sinker, but I was reproved for something and that put an end to that.

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"You're going to die in Armageddon"

by Jules Saturn in

i'm sure i am not the only one to have heard this come out of the mouths of my loved ones.

it's a very painful thing to hear, especially when it comes from the people like your own parents/family.

even after i've been told that, they would say "we'll just continue life without you.

problemaddict 2

Ugh. Why do parents say these things? its because they are desperate. Take some pity on them, even while they say these horrible things to you. Find strength, and respond with it.

My mother said to me that I was sentencing my children to death. They are very small. I looked at her and said, "Mom, I know you are very hurt. Its because of that, that i am going to let that comment slide this time. But don't you ever say anything like that again to me. Do you understand?"

She said she understood, and has not said anything like it since.

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2017 San Diego Comic Con!

by HiddlesWife in

fyi (regarding those posters/readers who are interested): 2017 san diego comic con started last thursday, 7/20/17 and is ending today, sunday, 7/23/17.

here are the footage/highlights of it (i'm planning one of these days to attend it ):.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvu6dd59iya&t=93s.

problemaddict 2

Went yesterday (I live close). Would have been nice to hook up with some of you fine folks if you were in the area.

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Special Bethelite Speakers

by JW_Rogue in

i've noticed that some elders will insist on getting a special bethel speaker for memorials, special talks, or sometimes for no reason at all!

i believe they are trying build connections they can use later, but who pays for it?

the congregation does and as a former account servant i can tell you airfare isn't all that cheap.

problemaddict 2

We flew a heavy out to Vegas for memorial. Cost thousands. The elder that knew him wanted to show him a good time. It was a celebrity thing for sure, and a big waste of money.

Elder ended up feeling upset.....feeling like this guy didn't really appreciate everything he had done. Called him for a favor later. A sort of wink wink favor. The guy didn't have his back at first like he wanted.....so that bothered him.

This is a brother whose name most here would recognize. Still at bethel.

Yeah......its just a mess.

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Hello

by Jules Saturn in

hello, i've been lurking for quite some time here on this forum, reading a whole lot and i've finally made the courage to create an account as a form of escape and in hopes to be understood and not feel "mentally diseased".

little background on me, i am a born in but i consider myself a pimo (physically in mentally out).

i feel like i've always had doubts but these doubts would sink with the meetings and the assemblies and every other little thing that drowns any doubts a witness may have.

problemaddict 2

Welcome!

Did someone actually say to you, that YOU are mentally diseased? While you are waking up, and going through the emotions related to this life altering event....I would caution some patience. Don't be in a rush to run off at the mouth, or make big decisions on what to do.

You are thinking for yourself for the first time in a long time. Get your thoughts straight. Might take some time.

But focus on being your AUTHENTIC SELF. You will find your way.

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To Fade or Disassociate

by Jules Saturn in

hello to all, so i did want to talk about this topic because i think it is very important to me.

i have a grandfather who faded several decades ago.

he occasionally attends an assembly and the memorial but no longer attends meetings or goes on field service.

problemaddict 2

I had a talk with an old friend (who happens to be an elder). He said to me "why don't you just make it official?". The context was that essentially it would just be easier if they knew where I stood. My response was that I didn't wish to place my friends and family in that place. if they know that I don't attend meetings and wish to shun me, so be it. there is no mandate for them to do so, but if they chose to do it its on them. The ones that don't, are a bit more in the "real friends" category for me.

I have faded. I have done so in a way that the elders really don't want to come after me. It would be unpleasant, and create an enemy. It would be a lot of "work" and there are a few people that would "go down" with me.

I did this on purpose, so that if they saw me with my kid at halloween, they could convince themselves they saw somebody else.

in the meantime, since I am able to talk to people, I have been able to help 3 or 4 people out. It all started with a conversation I would NOT have been able to have, if I was disassociated. They would have shunned me before I spoke.

JW's are all about technicalities. Don't feed into this one. The DA letter means nothing. they will rob you of your dignity no matter what you do. Just live your life, and be yourself.

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Family of Jehovah's Witness who died after refusing blood transfusion can't keep suing doctors

by pale.emperor in

http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/07/court_nixes_lawsuit_by_family.html.

the family of a jehovah's witness who died after repeatedly refusing blood transfusions can't sue the hospital where doctors begged for a chance to save her life, a state appeals court ruled.. the case, outlined in an opinion by superior court judge jacqueline o. shogan, involves a convergence of religion, medicine and the law.. its focus is on what happened before terri seels-davila, a jehovah's witness missionary, died after giving birth at hahnemann university hospital in philadelphia in november 2010.. seels-davila, who had been serving on mission with her husband in nicaragua, chose hahnemann because of its "bloodless medicine" program for patients who won't agree to having blood transfusions, including jehovah's witnesses, shogan noted.

the treatment plan for seels-davila called for recycling her own blood back into her system.. yet that proved to be inadequate when complications of her delivery required seels-davila to deliver by cesarean section.

problemaddict 2

Orphan Crow,

I appreciate the info. My first child i was a JW, the second I had left. Both were complicated, and blood was almost introduced.

I think the word "mundane" was a poor choice. I suppose I meant "common". Birth is a common procedure. Like do the elders show up for tonsillectomies? There is a larger than normal bleed risk there. I just hadn't really heard of it before, and I was being "groomed" for the HLC at one point in my former life.

Either way, i did not know the risk was that high, and transfusions commonplace. thanks for the details.

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10 years on.....

by snare&racket in

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friends

i was a window cleaner, i was at the time unemployed, homeless.

i had no education to be proud of (high school one a two b's rest c's) i was a jehovahs witness.

i had been a pioneer.

problemaddict 2

Great story. thank you for sharing it. I too am thinking about going back to school, with a career in the medical profession. Perfusionist. they work the heart and lung machine, and also the cell saver machine. It kind of calls to me......maybe I want to be the apostate that helps JWs?

I don't know. It feels so late to go to school. (Im 43).

But your story is inspiring.

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No brain, No Life -- says JW Professor Rajesh Kalaria

by cognisonance in

so continuing my review of the current bull shit my family in this cult are subjected to i found this article about professor rajesh kalaria, a jw since 1973 and a scientist who has studied the human brain for 40 years (hmm... so he converted into this cult very early in his career it seems).anyway i also found this jw broadcasting piece about him where he says:.

“and brain is what we are; what i am, what you are.

no brain, no life.

problemaddict 2

But its you. Jehovah made a perfect copy!

But how is it me if its a copy? The original died.

Yes but he is perfect and you are "alive in his memory" so that he can bring you back perfectly

So is he bringing me back? Or is he reconstructing me better and with a new brain?

Well he is reconstructing your body but putting your old self into it.

So is my self somewhere right now?

Well no, that would be like a soul, but yes in that you are in Gods memory.

But then that means he is going to reconstruct my brain.....make a new me. A copy.

Right a copy.

So not the original...right?

....

**and repeat for 3 hours

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Ex or Current Elder Question

by LovingLifeNow in

jw
friends

so i have been inactive for about a year and a half.

been baptised for about 35 years.how long would it take before they give up on what i do with my life, for example, i celebrate all holidays now, and have even posted on social media pics of me and my family celebrating.

do they even care anymore?

problemaddict 2

It all hangs on wether it "becomes public knowledge". They technically have grounds to disfellowship you. Nothing says they have to, but if it comes up, in my experience, someone will want to police the situation until you are dealt with.

I have been inactive for 3 years, and we are still careful about celebrating our kids birthday or posting photos for that very reason.